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there is no reason to work hard at anything if u cant leave it to the family. else i will collect unemployment and smoke weed all day


I don’t get what you mean. I have no children, am in my 50s, and still try to maximize my wealth to the extent possible while still having the particular lifestyle I like. I work hard because it’s fulfilling and I work to generate wealth so I’m not screwed over after one health mishap.


same experience here. i can afford everythihg but i dont need much. i dont think people understand what kind of stress relief is to say that u can live the life you want for 30-40 years without having to work.


why? fire participants are disciplined so they will just invest as usual. what do u expect to see?


hah noticed the same thing - unbelievable tbh


most people i know in fire will retire between 27 and 35. i was able to retire at age ~29 i believe. still workin tho.

if u think people save so they can retire at age 75, u dont understand what u r talking about


What you're talking about is American programmer's salaries. Not everyone lives in America and not everyone's a programmer


I believe the OP is actually living in Eastern Europe (see his comment above). FWIW, it's perhaps easier to FIRE in EE than in US - thanks to geographic arbitrate, you can earn $10k after tax per month and easily save 90% (or, say 80% if you want kids and very comfortable living). We don't have access to $400k FAANG jobs, but we make up for it with $100-$150k remote jobs and low costs of living.


I make ~100,000 euro yearly in eastern europe and invest maybe 90%. I can already retire, but think I'll do this for a few more years (job good, coworkers good)

Suppose that wasn't the experience you were looking for?:)


Of course this is the feedback I’m looking for. Confirmation that I’m wrong is always welcome. That said…

We have a burner account providing a sample size of 1 here, guess I’ll shut it down.


FWIW, I'm in indentical position as EEREPRESENT. I've even already "retired", but will probably come back to the contracting market for a year or three more, just to earn extra cash.


FWIW, the original point I was trying to make seems to have gotten lost which is that tech workers (a high earning cohort relative to the rest of the population) extolling financial advice that amounts to “make more money than you need to survive and save the excess” isn’t helpful to the vast majority of the population.

As someone in a less financially prosperous section of world than the US, do you think that advice is particularly helpful to your countrymen? Is the problem that people are wasteful and unwilling to make obvious choices, or that those opportunities aren’t as widely available as HN’s commenters might make them out to be?


You really need an income considerably above average to be able to think about FIRE in Poland (whereas in US you could probably retire early on an average salary). In that regard, it's less applicable.


I think this really gets to the crux of my original point: What is "average" (average for our industry, average for the country as a whole?) and retire "where" (I assure you, if you make an average US salary and want to retire early in the US, you have to have front-loaded a lot of financial sacrifices and been extremely lucky)


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