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Nobody cares how reasonable you are if you don't actually produce anything.


And nobody cares how much you produce if you're too unreasonable to sell them on your creation. Creating strawmen out of maximally-extreme arguments is silly. Unless you think that being reasonable is mutually exclusive with being productive?


I think it's fair to say Linus has already proven his worth.

But even the Linux kernel and git aside, the fact that people listen to him despite his frankness speaks volumes for how respected he is.


Agreed, just as it would be a fallacy to presume that one can't be both productive and polite, it would also be a fallacy to believe that being impolite immediately invalidates all productive endeavors. I'm not using this thread to try to tear Linus down, just trying to keep people from promulgating the myth that Linus' governance style is the only effective one. :P


> And nobody cares how much you produce if you're too unreasonable to sell them on your creation.

But Linus already has.


True, but irrelevant for Linus. It's not a good way to get ahead[1], but if you're already far enough ahead...

Personally, I think I'm on "your" side -- as it were -- on the side of civility, but sometimes you've just got to get shit done. Properly, which sometimes means shouting the right things at the right people[2].

I do think it's unreasonable of you to say that Linus is not "being reasonable", as you've clearly implied in your comment. To my mind he's being entirely reasonable, just not very "polite" or "civil" or whatever you want to call it.

[1] As in: Rise up the corporate ladder.

[2] Sorkin's "Too Big To Fail" was a big eye-opener in this regard, FWIW.


> I do think it's unreasonable of you to say that Linus is not "being reasonable", as you've clearly implied in your comment.

I'm literally using the terminology of the person that I'm trying to refute! :P If you want to argue phrasing, take that to jacquesm.


I'm sorry. I was too carried away to notice! :)

(Which reminds me: There should probably be some sort of mandatory-quoting mechanism on HN. It seems weird that you can snipe comments by editing at just the right time. That's not what happened in this case, I'm just saying that it would probably be a good thing to have measures against it. Sorry, that's my META-rant done.)




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