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> Uh, no? Maybe in 2013, but Bitcoin is used for substantially more than that today. It keeps people alive in Venezuela. A lot of African communities are finding it to be an excellent source of stability as well.

There have been a lot of puff pieces written about this. Very little actual proof in numbers.

> My company has done more than $10 million in hardware sales selling cryptocurrency miners for bitcoin. Bitcoin is really the only option for us, because there's so much fraud (check, credit, etc.) that we couldn't accept another form of payment without something like 30% markup. The instant finality (well, 1-2 hour finality) of Bitcoin makes that tractable.

Can you not take payments through Visa? I thought the standard was 2-3% for fees.

> Several startups that I know of have also gained a ton of traction and competitive edge by switching to bitcoin for payment rails. You won't know that they use Bitcoin based on their website or based on interacting with them, but when you send money to another country, they are on the back-end transferring bitcoin, and this allows them to shave days off of their process vs. competitors using other payment rails.

There aren't many companies taking Bitcoin. The book 50 foot blockchain by David Gerard has more on this. The gist though is that often a payment processor is encourages by Bitcoin maximalists to accept Bitcoin. Months later they realize no one is using it and remove it as a payment option. Then the Bitcoin maximalists pounce and harass them.

> Cryptocurrency services a very wide range of niches, because it offers several very substantial features that no other currency or payment option can offer. Beyond all the hype and sillyness, there is a technology that is actively changing the world and is gaining real traction every day.

In the niche of get rich quick it offers many features.



You are responsible for the fraud yourself if you use Visa. They also just outright won't let us use them, we asked almost a dozen providers, including stripe, including paypal, including several other popular options that are generally cryptocurrency friendly.

> There aren't many companies taking Bitcoin. The book 50 foot blockchain by David Gerard has more on this. The gist though is that often a payment processor is encourages by Bitcoin maximalists to accept Bitcoin. Months later they realize no one is using it and remove it as a payment option. Then the Bitcoin maximalists pounce and harass them.

That's true for small time merchants like tshirt providers and restaurants. That's not true for more serious platforms like Circle, Abra, and a couple that facilitate large (6 figures or more) payments across borders. Those companies absolutely find value in the fast finality, in the low fees (a $10 transaction fee is less than 0.01% for a 6 figure USD transaction), and in the fact that there are bitcoin exchanges in almost every country in the world. Fiat payment rails provide other features, but for some use cases Bitcoin is by far the best option.


> Can you not take payments through Visa?

Sounds like the problem is that fraud/chargebacks are more common, which Visa won't protect from. And for that matter, if you have too much fraud Visa might just dump you as too risky.




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