Heh good ol John..when i was part of the melbourne HP community in the bbs days he stayed with me in melbourne, not a pretty sight, for the idol that he was to us, he sure didnt live up to it. he proceeded to arrive at my house and demand access to the net, had a tantrum and actually cried when he was told he couldnt have it immediately (as i was running something at the time, modem days heh) and proceeded to freak us all out with rotten teeth and a fried brain from way to much acid. heh, we were so dissapointed. :)