"You're the perfect example of someone who can't even grasp the simple concept of how YOUR actions have consequences for OTHER people. If Sony wanted to remove Other OS that's up to them, people like you and George should have just dealt with that. Instead like children you have this sense of entitlement and so the PS3 was hacked and root keys published. No thought was given to how this would be used by other people, all that crossed your tiny little minds was how this affected YOU."
You see people become inoculated by all sorts of kooky ideas (usually offering salvation or universal insight), but to see people get their mind twisted around some faceless video game company... the mind boggles...
There is a good chance that this particular comment came directly from Sony as a part of some sort of misdirection and damage control campaign. It does not read like something a teenager would write, it sounds more like a mom lecturing her adolescent, but I can't see parents taking time to comment in GeoHot's blog. So given the context it looks artificial.
If you think that's bad you should check out the Kotaku comments or the PSN forums. Some of them were promising bodily harm geohotz. I know people get worked up over cheaters but some of the comments were just right off the rails crazy. Seems to be a correlation the more time you spend playing the system the more you hate people that screw around with it.
I know people like to make fun of Mac and Android fans but some playstation fans took it way too personal.
A lot of PS3 users are NOT teenagers... I'm guessing PS3's user base will tend be slightly higher in age than Xbox owners, given that people who buy PS3s might buy them for the Blu-ray player as well to complement some home theater setup. Teenagers will most likely only have appeal for the gaming aspects of a console.
Which means I get moderated down too? I thought he had an interesting and valid point, saw his statement when it was grey and made my comment.
If I am incorrect, or have made a HN etiquette faux pas, I would appreciate knowing about it.
That was my immediate thought, as well. I'm willing to bet that a good number of those comments come from Sony shills trying to paint blame on external parties.
I happen to disagree with the commenter, but it doesn't sound kooky to me. Aside from the fact that the connection between the root keys and the PSN hack is a bit tenuous, it seems like a reasonable point.
It's disingenuous because the problem isn't that the root keys were released, but that Sony was singlehandedly trusting the security of all their customer information to the assumption that the client would never be compromised. It's bad (and even negligent) design, and while, yes, the root keys being released might have been a component of the break-in, if the system had been designed with the proper security principles in mind, then it wouldn't have been an issue at all.
To use an analogy, Sony's system seems to have been designed like a a car that starts with a push button, no key required. It's assumed that you'll never be able to start it without being the owner because you would have to open the door first. George, being the owner of one of these vehicles, figured out how to get into it without using his keys (in case he ever locked himself out), then people took that information and used it to steal these cars, because once you can open the driver door, there are no additional security checks (like an ignition lock) to prevent the car from being stolen.
but that Sony was singlehandedly trusting the security of all their customer information to the assumption that the client would never be compromised. It's bad (and even negligent) design
I agree with Geohot that Sony's mindset of security extending to the console is broken. But let's put it in perspective: for CC#s and passwords this is little different than an https website and customer-side browser. Sure, if you hack your console, you can set up a MitM and observe your own personal details.
It's possible that this helped to enable their backend breach but we don't know that yet.
There are very few designs in common use that can survive the compromise of an endpoint.
But compromise of one endpoint should not cause (or even help) compromise of the other endpoint, in this case at least not in the client->server direction (it's pretty obvious that you can compromise all PS3's at once if you take over control of whole PSN and that can be called an feature).
The idea that expecting a product you buy to have the features it was described by the seller as having is a "sense of entitlement" seems pretty kooky to me. We can't have a functioning market like that.
"You're the perfect example of someone who can't even grasp the simple concept of how YOUR actions have consequences for OTHER people. If Sony wanted to remove Other OS that's up to them, people like you and George should have just dealt with that. Instead like children you have this sense of entitlement and so the PS3 was hacked and root keys published. No thought was given to how this would be used by other people, all that crossed your tiny little minds was how this affected YOU."
http://geohotgotsued.blogspot.com/2011/04/recent-news.html?s...
You see people become inoculated by all sorts of kooky ideas (usually offering salvation or universal insight), but to see people get their mind twisted around some faceless video game company... the mind boggles...