It's the internet. You're going to hear from the loudest.

That is pretty much what I said.

So you're asking one group of people to shout over other people, to make you feel better?

Not to make me feel better, but because I'd like to see actual feminism flourish.

I don't see why you're so angry with me either.

I think it speaks volumes that you perceive that comment as being angry with you.

But I think this has also gone way off tangent and I regret interacting.

It's a complex issue that has existed for countless generations. We won't get far tonight.

Do you think that could be a deliberate push to delegitimize calls for equality? Are large feminist organizations making those misandry statements or are random individuals and fringe organizations making those statements and their voice is being amplified and spread simply because it validates the idea in people’s minds that “this crazy person is what feminism is”. If 1% of women from, say, the US were misandrists, and 1% of those women when on the internet and said crazy things, that is enough for you to have dozens of fresh examples every single day. Much like the “if it bleeds it leads” journalism of the 90s, where people perceived that violence was skyrocketing, while it was in fact falling dramatically, this could be a case of an agenda, or even just a desire for more clicks, skewing your perception.

I think it is a minority who honestly think they are helpful that are delegitimizing the cause. Most women (and men) just want to get on with their lives. Thus they are not a member of any feminist groups, sometimes they notice things that are "not right", but nothing is important enough to get a large voice behind it.

Things can be fixed by protest. However the risk is people get tired of the shouting and ignore you. Most women don't see this as time to shout - don't take that as there are no problems, just that the problems need a different approach.

> Are large feminist organizations making those misandry statements

The official position of NOW on family law and the rights of fathers to have any sort of contact with their children when a divorce happens (much less the idea of fathers getting custody) has generally been pretty abysmal.

I can't find a current public position from them on the topic, so maybe they've gotten better. One can hope.

I mean let’s be honest, the name is kind of saying something else too. When I first heard of feminism as a teenager, I was opposed to it simply because it sounded like sexism. I was quickly told off by the adults in the room, with zero discussion of the subject. You _should_ be a feminist, basically.