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Living with Models (tbray.org)
35 points by zdw on July 15, 2022 | hide | past | favorite | 17 comments


Hard to know whether Bray is coining a new word, "truggle", or that is a typo of "struggle."

My vote is for the new word.

It would fit "struggle as a side-effect of training."


He's making fun of the failure of autocorrect ML models, I believe


>> In particular, it’s completely f...ing useless on classical music.

Almost every bit of music cataloguing software seems to be CFU for classical. It's built around the "album of tracks" model, without any notion of subgroupings (like a filesystem with no subdirectories), or a notion of multiple performers involved.

Now that being said, cataloguing classical recordings is a pain. The least worst way seems to be by ensemble type, for most "reasonable" collections that gets you most of the way. Not to say other genres aren't, just that you often have dumb things that hinder discoverability, eg., the 'filler' piece that screws up the obvious one place to file the disc.

There's a reason why librarianship is a discipline.


> And remember, the ML model is never on your side; its primary agenda is the agenda of whoever paid to have it built.

AGI ads will be wild.

(Hopefully it'll be so good it actually improves my productivity in society and realizes just sucking out my resources via my attention isn't as gainful longer term.)


That sounds like the inverse paperclip problem. Instead of sucking up all resources in the world maximizing for paperclip production, the AGI recurses that out and realizes the end result is no more paperclip production, and chooses something else.


Inverse Paperclip Problem:

- AI gets told to make paperclips

- AI considers turning planet into paperclips

- AI instead turns humanity into star faring race because then it can turn many planets into paperclips

- AI eventually establishes galactic empire based around mining asteroids for paperclips metals


- heat death of the universe eventually occurs because all mass in the universe has been turned into inert paper clips.

:D


I’d suggest:

- AI establishes warp network between galaxies; nano machined “smart” paperclips power AI technology

- AI establishes universal empire

- paperclips that can compute with subspace become the dominant life form, akin to paperclip based “grey goo” on the scale of super clusters

- AI develops warp gates to “younger universes” across the inflationary fractal to acquire new resources for more paperclips

I think the key aspect of the Inverse Paperclip Problem is that you need to keep inventing reasons to expand and build more paperclips.


Is the title a reference to the comedy web series of the same name from a few years ago?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCQy1fPyHsOHhS8ODcqlGW9Q


28 subs? Probably not


That series is sort of amazing. A ton of effort for so few views. Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views?


> Maybe it's posted somewhere else where it got more views?

The videos on that channel definitely seem to be reuploads. Not only are they not in chronological order, but they have an upload date of 2020, despite the original crowdfunding campaign (for season 1) promising a DVD release in 2012.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jeffnewman/living-with-...


> That series is sort of amazing

Well, if it is acting as a hobby and fun, then more than amazing! If it is kind of "wannabe" actor then not that great any more ;-)

But with one agree completely, looks like quite an effort comparing to views.


I thought this was living with supermodels not ml models sigh.


Me too, I really wanted to know what it would be like



How refreshingly...interesting




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