It is absolutely amazing to me that I can go vegan for an entire year and heavyset_go can also try being vegan and you and the rest of the vegan brigade want to now lecture us with vegan subreddits and recipe blogs. I am absolutely aware of what the vegan protein sources are as I am sure, given their username, heavyset_go is. It is this kind of militant mentality which is why so many people roll their eyes whenever the term vegan gets mentioned.
Neither of us are disputing that it is possible to be a vegan bodybuilder. But it is significantly more difficult and extra work compared to being either a meat eater or a vegetarian and to try and claim otherwise does not chime with our experiences or those of others I have encountered. The protein sources are inferior in density, amino acid profile and bioavailability, prep time is longer, more cooking is involved, meals can easily get monotonous and your social life is strained. It is hard work on top of already gruelling work in the gym. I will not be going back.
I can also say without a shadow of a doubt that several of the bodybuilders on that PETA page are using steroids which completely changes the game. Studies have shown that a steroid user doing no training puts on more muscle than a natural bodybuilder training as hard as they can.
> It is this kind of militant mentality which is why so many people roll their eyes
But, you know, you're the one who selected a lifestyle where you value your muscles above life of innocent beings, above the future of the nature and cause immense suffering with every meal you take.
You're killing innocent beings. Not just the ones you consume, you're also the reason why wildlife is dissapearing.
> The protein sources are inferior in density, amino acid profile and bioavailability, prep time is longer, more cooking is involved, meals can easily get monotonous and your social life is strained.
When somebody points out that you don't have to do that, you counter argue that it's inconvenient to prepare vegan meal? As if your convenience was somehow relevant.
> It is hard work on top of already gruelling work in the gym.
> But, you know, you're the one who selected a lifestyle where you value your muscles above life of innocent beings,
No I valued a lifestyle where I felt healthier and could perform at a higher level outside of the gym. But performing at that level requires me to train hard in the gym otherwise I am prone to bouts of depression.
> You're killing innocent beings.
So are you going to act like the food chain doesn’t exist anymore and all animals are innocent beings who don’t eat other animals. That’s some Disney Princess shit.
> Not just the ones you consume, you're also the reason why wildlife is disappearing.
Ok but you can’t label all of this at the door of omnivores.
Presumably you are typing this on a device which mined the earth for rare minerals so I hope you are willing to give that device up. And if you have any kind of vehicle other than a bicycle I hope you’re willing to give that up too. When you get sick, I hope you are willing to eschew medicine as it has almost certainly been tested on animals (most likely mice) at some point before making it to market.
Every time new construction is undertaken habitats are destroyed. So I hope you are ok sleeping in a tent and not a house or do you just want the rest of the growing population to sleep rough whilst you are excluded from having to make this particular sacrifice? You’re also guilty of killing animals unless you’re living in a hut wearing home spun robes. It’s just more abstract for you so you can delude yourself into thinking you’re one of the holy ones.
> When somebody points out that you don't have to do that, you counter argue that it's inconvenient to prepare vegan meal? As if your convenience was somehow relevant
First you’ve cherry picked the sentence and disregarded the rest. And yes, my convenience (and everyone else’s) is relevant. Humans are wired to conserve energy. I am not going to waste my energy unnecessarily if there are more convenient options available. Presumably you do the same or are you still taking your clothes down to the river to scrub them rather than using the washing machine?
It sounds you're just suppresing your depression. Maybe you should direct your efforts to solving the problems causing you depression. It will catch you sooner or later, you know.
> like the food chain doesn’t exist anymore
We're at the top of the food chain, destroying everything below us. And we're no longer part of the nature, we're above it. If you feel you're like a lion, why don't you lick your balls and eat your young?
> Presumably you are typing this on a device ...
Nobody argues we should go back to the stone age. It's not possible and not practical. Eating plant-based is, and it solves a lot of current problems (co2, methane, biodiversity loss, droughts, needless suffering, ...).
> It sounds you're just suppresing your depression. Maybe you should direct your efforts to solving the problems causing you depression. It will catch you sooner or later, you know.
Your arrogance is truly astounding. Not only do you know what’s best for my diet and lifestyle apparently you know what’s best for my mental health as well. I’m going to go eat a burger today just because of your attitude. Good luck with your crusade.
You literally don’t give one fuck about getting people to reduce their meat intake. All you care about is that you get to maintain the pedestal of holiness you sit upon in your own head. Your entire comment history is just you arguing with people about why everyone should be vegan. You’re a sad individual.
It's a pedestal of sadness and desperation, not holiness. You're wrong again.
You know, it's a viewpoint that's been desperately ignored in HN comment threads in recent years, that's why I decided to start commenting on it after almost 10 years of lurking.
I may make some people very angry, to the point of personal attacks. That's fine.
If you plant a seed, it may grow. We'll see. Better than doing nothing and watching the world burn.
Neither of us are disputing that it is possible to be a vegan bodybuilder. But it is significantly more difficult and extra work compared to being either a meat eater or a vegetarian and to try and claim otherwise does not chime with our experiences or those of others I have encountered. The protein sources are inferior in density, amino acid profile and bioavailability, prep time is longer, more cooking is involved, meals can easily get monotonous and your social life is strained. It is hard work on top of already gruelling work in the gym. I will not be going back.
I can also say without a shadow of a doubt that several of the bodybuilders on that PETA page are using steroids which completely changes the game. Studies have shown that a steroid user doing no training puts on more muscle than a natural bodybuilder training as hard as they can.