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Imagine, for example, opening your favorite brand’s website and being presented with a miniature virtual storefront. You could look at their most popular products as if you were standing on a sidewalk peering into their shop.

I imagined this as instructed as was simultaneously bored and depressed.

Why does it always have to be about shopping.



The blog we are reading right now is Shopify's blog, so I have a theory.

Another interesting question is "Why is shopify's blog the place talking about this, instead of somewhere else?" I remember that demo... it was amazing and then it did go nowhere. With modern face recognition and tracking, it should be entirely possible to use it for some nifty no-touch experiences.


The blog we are reading right now is Shopify's blog

tbh I gave up reading after the bit I quoted and hadnt actually clocked it was a Shopify blog (didnt spot the little icon in the corner or look at the url)

Still, I stand by my refrain "Why does it always have to be about shopping" as a refrain that is rarely out of place


Well, it made into Amazon Fire Phone, and then went nowhere.


I imagine a youtube where the ads would pause as soon as you don't look at them anymore. Like that one black mirror episode.

But yes, first promote some gimmicky fun stuff to get the foot in the door and when it has arrived, show the real face.


"Please drink a verification can"

https://imgur.com/dgGvgKF



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The other way around, for sure, to distract and make you look back at the thing moving in the corner of your eye.


They mean that the ad won't finish until you watch it.


It's a relatively invasive technique that requires a computer's camera to record details of a person's face, and that's marketable data that any commercial shopping site would likely collect and sell on to other parties. It'd be much simpler to implement arrow key / spacebar navigation through a 3D scene (still computationally expensive relative to rendering the standard HTML/CSS/JS page), but then that data couldn't be collected.

In general interactive 3D on the web still uses too much computational power on the client-side for most devices.


It is not imaging your face like a normal camera would. It is using an infrared camera to pick out the location of two dots (the relative position and distance of the two dots in the camera”s field of view). That information stream could be compressed to a few bytes per second without losing tracking fidelity. That does not seem very invasive. Even if a high resolution pixel stream were to be sent from the camera to an untrustworthy, persistence layer, it would be infrared, which doesn’t seem very privacy-invasive.


> invasive technique

It wouldn't be so bad if it were a browser feature, i.e. a website can use an "Eye Tracking" API instead of the Camera API (with permission granted), and get limited data.


But of course, just like gait detection and etc... there would be a whole genre of preprints dedicated to eye tracking fingerprinting


Couldn’t this sort of thing be built into the browser which could then just expose an API for head orientation and eye position without any privacy invading details?


Physically you'd still need to have the camera on, and having the "your webcam is in use" LED become ever-presently on defeats the ability to detect when the camera is actually being used as a camera.


"Details of a person's face is marketable data".

Okay, it's not that I don't believe you, but what do they do with that data? How does it help? Unless you're marketing acne cream, I suppose.


People who fit into <some racial/ethnic/age/gender bucket> spend more time looking at <x products>, fed to advertisers who can tie it to swathes of your other online activity

Even if it’s _theoretically_ coarse data/bucketing, that adds up to a lot of data to help deanonymization and targeting. Even if that’s done in the spirit of “just for ads”, it’s not a big leap to political targeting etc, and with the right data leaks, potentially even actual harassment.


Uniquely and reliably track a single individual’s web browsing habits.

Is that not the holy grail of adtech?


Some bad actor would check out what is in your apartment and then market to you.

Say they see you have legos, they market legos.

Or they see what you have (say a gun) so they rob you.

Or they track your habits. We noticed your apartment is dirty/messy - pay us a ransom or we post on linkedin or call CPS. Or use our cleaning service.

Also I bet you have to walk fully dressed when browsing (especially women) and you need to shave, or your social score drops.

Ah and will you know if the website ever stopped watching? Is it watching you (and recording) having sex?


Knowing exactly where the user is looking is pretty good data I would say.

"User looked at the buy button 5 times in the session but they did not buy" and so on.


An awful lot of us already wear glasses, whether prescription or blue light blocking.

If tiny IR lights or something else distinctive that the camera could recognize on the glasses could be used instead of actual eye/face tracking, I'll bet even more people would wear them.


Imagine the possibilities! If you have enough facial expressions, looked for n ms, moved head n yards, with enough a-b testing you could dynamically design products. Like Weird Science only worse.


> Why does it always have to be about shopping.

It's published by Shopify, so in this case it's because it likely would not have gotten published otherwise. Unfortunately E-commerce companies are not known for their "research for the fun of research".


Disagree, VR stuff at Shopify really strikes me and a lot of folks as a pet project with unlikely business outcome but they still do it for the kick of it.


How so? Their VR and the Web page on their website has mention of products in the first line?

https://www.shopify.com/partners/blog/building-a-vr-shopping...


Or, imagine your head tracking data is being uploaded and sold to the hugest bidder! They could tell whether you have a health condition which they could sell you an expensive drug for! Or raise your insurance rates! Wow this IS exciting.


The smart watches already provide a lot more data such as heart rate, blood oxygen levels, and activity monitor to name a few things. However, it’s just a part of the little data collector that nearly everyone has in their pocket.

My point is we’re already there and we’ve been here for years now. If laws like the GPRD passed, then it should be possible to counter or neutralize the problem


It has to be about shopping because pr0n actually drives new tech and that venue would not be pr0n friendly.

I would imagine this would be an obvious easy sell for CAD, so there must be something wrong with it, perhaps a patent, holding back progress. I will say that I've done CAD for projects (woodworking and making STL models for 3d printer) and people who do not CAD think that CAD people look at 3d animations 99% of the time, but IRL when I do CAD I spend most of my time thinking very abstractly (how to balance the spacing of power supply and PCB such that it looks nice, is easy to access, thermal concerns, wire routing... Or I can look up the clearance hole dia for a 4-40 screw now what is a common drill size with sane tolerances to drill it, how about an eighth of an inch?)


Because this is from someone who works for Shopify and has to justify their 20% project to their bosses.

Why can’t people have a little more imagination and see this as a great new data visualization UX like for things like charts or maps, instead of automatically panning it to death?

This could be very useful in hospitals.

CAD and 3D modeling software?


> Why does it always have to be about shopping.

the subdomain of this submission offers a clue about that


Here on the internet, there's nearly three things to do!

https://youtu.be/G9FGgwCQ22w?t=183


Because it's the web, and that's all the web is about.


It's a lot of what life's about though too, so perhaps it's justified?


Justified in the sense that we should accept that there is no other purpose to life or existence then to shop?


For every article about shopping we would be seeing tens of thousands of articles about breathing then.




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