Okay great, for what its worth this is your comment that made me jump in:
> How else would you deadlift? Your back is a lever.
Also watch strongmen lift atlas stones. It’s all in the back, and a rounded back at that.
Can you see how I got to the thought that you might be advocating for not properly engaging the entire posterior chain and in effect attempting to muscle up the weight relying mostly on the back like a stiff leg deadlift? It seemed like a potentially dangerous position to be suggesting and would put a lot more stress on the lower spine for dubious gain imo. I gather from your response though, that you had something more sensible in mind when posting that.
To your second point, corelated injury from overall load and fatigue does make sense to me and I think for experienced lifters they are able to make the call on form and what works for their body, I was primarily concerned with the non experienced passerby. I still think you're likely putting more stress on certain parts of your body than you need with certain technique, but that's a personal call.
> I got to the thought that you might be advocating for not properly engaging the entire posterior chain and in effect attempting to muscle up the weight relying mostly on the back like a stiff leg deadlift?
I’m not advocating for it, but I also don’t think stiff leg deadlifts are dangerous at all! Again, it’s about fatigue management. If you’ve never done stiff leg deadlifts, then yeah trying to do a maximal effort stiff leg deadlift is probably not smart. But if you’ve never bench pressed then trying to do a maximal effort bench press isn’t smart either, if you’ve never run before then don’t sprint a 5k, etc…
> I was primarily concerned with the non experienced passerby.
I get where you’re coming from, but the most important thing for someone one doesn’t currently strength train is that they start strength training. Full stop. The benefits massively outweigh the costs.
Again, I’m not trying to put words in your mouth because I don’t think you mean this, but if we aren’t careful and give people the impression that they “should go to the gym but must be careful to use perfect form or they’ll get seriously injured” (not supported by the evidence) then most people frankly won’t lift. And not strength training is way more risky.
> How else would you deadlift? Your back is a lever. Also watch strongmen lift atlas stones. It’s all in the back, and a rounded back at that.
Can you see how I got to the thought that you might be advocating for not properly engaging the entire posterior chain and in effect attempting to muscle up the weight relying mostly on the back like a stiff leg deadlift? It seemed like a potentially dangerous position to be suggesting and would put a lot more stress on the lower spine for dubious gain imo. I gather from your response though, that you had something more sensible in mind when posting that.
To your second point, corelated injury from overall load and fatigue does make sense to me and I think for experienced lifters they are able to make the call on form and what works for their body, I was primarily concerned with the non experienced passerby. I still think you're likely putting more stress on certain parts of your body than you need with certain technique, but that's a personal call.