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In the long term, but in the short term unscrupulous corporations far outnumber unscrupulous governments and they act much, much faster to adapt to new technology.


Unscrupulous governments can easily take everything you have and destroy you, literally.

History is full of examples. Heck, you'll see examples in the newspaper every day.

The rookiest cop has more power over you than Bill Gates.


Absolutely. But the rookiest cop isn't currently trying to track my whereabouts, abuse my privacy, stick a bunch of AI down my throat and in general isn't trying to make my wallet any thinner. Bill Gates and the more modern versions of Bill Gates are doing that and more.


The rookiest cop can:

1. track you with license plate readers

2. pull up any information about you

3. fine you

4. force you to stop

5. detain you

6. confiscate your car and property

7. search you and your property

8. take your phone and search it

Bill Gates can:

1. give you a free browser when you buy his operating system


Bill gates (when he was actually in control of the company) can, and did, sic the governmental apparatus on people. IE, large enough corporations, that are entwined enough in your life, are empowered to use exactly the government "rookie cops" you are afraid of.

Or do you forget the raids against music and movie pirates?


The raids were done by the government.

Are you familiar with rico laws? Where a cop can notice you have $10,000 in your possession, and just confiscate it, never charging you with a crime?


This is getting silly.


It is? I suggest reading the newspaper.


It would probably be better for you if you read a little less news.


Reading less news does not shield you from the real world. I thought I can survive in the private world respecting the law and limiting my government interactions.

That worked until my kids started school and my parents' health deteriorated. I was in for quite a shock. Crappy infrastructure was the least of the problems! Luckily there are private alternatives but they are crippled by law and they can't cover everything.


>Reading less news does not shield you from the real world.

The news isn't the real world.


I think this comment is focusing on a specific country rather than the world at large.


The world at large is even worse. There are about 200 countries on the planet. How many of them have functioning democracies? I am betting around 10% or less?!

Here's some data: https://www.visualcapitalist.com/state-of-democracy-around-t...


Perhaps using the world at large was not the best way to word what I was saying. I was implying the parent post was talking about a specific country that the OP lives in.


I suspect the issue here is that most of HN folks live in western countries with mostly working democracies. For the most part we haven’t experienced how bad governments can get.

Whether or not western style democracies are immune to going really bad, remains to be seen. Some days I’m optimistic, some days not so much.


I've lived in dictatorships and non-functional democracies, in spite of that corporations have done me far more harm than those states ever did. I do realize they have that power and I do realize it gets abused and regularly so. But the fact is that people get abused by corporations all the time and by their governments less frequently if ever. But when they are abused the consequences are likely much worse.


> I've lived in dictatorships and non-functional democracies

Same here. Corporations at worst got a bunch of (unearned) money off of me. My "democratic" government can (and tried to) put me in jail, disallow me to make my living from my field of choice, controls my (and my children's) education and is trying to kill me every day with an incredibly bad (government-run, of course) infrastructure and healthcare.

The communist dictatorship I grew up in killed a bunch of my relatives and tried hard to grind my family (and me) into the ground. I was lucky with the fall of the evil ideology.


I think we need to recognize our privilege in living in well functioning western democracies.

I'm very worried about what ai will bring for those less fortunate in that regard.


There are multiple examples of companies destroying someones life. Nintendo has gotten people thrown in jail for modding things that they purchased and owned, certain corrupt CEOs have sued people into bankruptcy oblivion etc.

All of these are possible because they've created the government you live under.


Bullshit. Bill Gates can easily afford to make me unemployable, which destroys my life a lot more effectively than locking me up for a few days. Worst case I can move to a different country and get away from the cop, but that won't make me safe from Gates.


How can BG make you unemployable? Who has he done this to?


> How can BG make you unemployable?

- He could drag up and publicise something you wrote at some point and make you one of the "today's twitter main character" people. (Last I heard Justine Sacco was still unemployed). If he did this by paying a competent PR firm, you'd never know it wasn't just something that happened by coincidence

- He could get linkedin to quietly drop or deprioritise your job applications

- He could get outlook to quietly drop your emails, or mark them as spam, or show an unprofessional profile picture. You'd never know why you weren't being hired.

- He could put something bad on the "credit report" (different from your actual credit report, and no practical way to see it for yourself) that Experian etc. send to potential employers. Again you'd just silently not get hired and never know why

- Given the silicon valley wage-fixing scandal happened and the punishment was minimal, there's probably an old-school blacklist he could put you on if he was feeling retro

> Who has he done this to?

We don't know. Unlike governments, private entities have no accountability (as long as they have money to burn); investigative journalists aren't going after them, FOIA doesn't exist for them...


Any evidence Bill Gates did any of this?

Even if true, compare this against the difficulty finding a job if you have a criminal record. Now there's a real blacklist.

> Justine Sacco is still unemployed

No evidence she was sabotaged by a corporation. Besides, she's employed as of 2018:

https://www.vox.com/2018/1/19/16911074/justine-sacco-iac-mat...

> silicon valley wage-fixing scandal

Is kinda nothing set against government wage fixing laws.

> old-school blacklist

I'm sure there are informal blacklists. But I've been in tech all my life, and nobody ever handed me a blacklist and said "don't hire these people". There are a zillion companies in the US, any such pervasive blacklist will inevitably become common knowledge.


> Even if true, compare this against the difficulty finding a job if you have a criminal record. Now there's a real blacklist.

The difference is it's public, and publicly accountable. There are processes to appeal, to get records sealed or expurgated. There is oversight.


Good luck getting a conviction off your record.




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