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False equivalency, comparing the aggressor Russia with a country that's in a literal fight for its survival. Straight up Kremlin talking points. Not food for thought.


> comparing the aggressor Russia with a country that's in a literal fight for its survival. Straight up Kremlin talking points. Not food for thought.

I'm sure Russia feels the same when considering the prospect of a neighbor joining an nuclear armed international alliance constructed specifically to oppose it's power and existence.

My goto analogy for this is the hypothetical of Mexico joining the USSR. Sure it sounds far fetched, but how do you think the USA would react to that type of situation?


Your goto analogy sucks. The USA is not trying to occupy Mexico.

NATO is a defense pact.


I think you need to lookup the definition of the word hypothetical. The point of the exercise is to imagine a scenario where the players are reversed to imagine how they would react.


My quibble is not the hypothetical, it is your implicit claim that the situations are similar. Thats what an analogy is.

The mere fact of your defending Russian invasion of Ukraine is enough to completely discredit your opinion on the matter.


>NATO is a defense pact.

Oh lordy. I only ever hear this on the internet and I always find it bizarre. Who is telling people this? University professors? Where and in what subjects? Prime time news programs? Again, in what countries? I've been in the military for 20 years and I've never heard an NCO or officer utter these words. Because it's nonsense. Defense pacts don't conduct totally-offensive air campaigns against countries that none of their members are at war with.[1] There is no formal legal mechanism for NATO as an organization to act as an enforcement arm for UN Resolutions, by the way. If there was, NATO probably should have been bombing Israel since UN Resolution 497 in 1981.

[1] https://www.nato.int/cps/ic/natohq/topics_71652.htm


First off, youre misquoting me. Thats just despicable.

Second, you have shown us three examples of Ukraine fending off Russian aggression.

I dont know why you are advancing Russian propaganda, but the fact that you are provides moe than enough justification to completely ignore your claims.


> First off, youre misquoting me. Thats just despicable.

The purpose is to demonstrate that the complaints have no morally universal application. Despicable actions by Ukraine are given a carte blanche. I find it bizarre that people hold it up as some sort of beacon of liberal democracy.

>Second, you have shown us three examples of Ukraine fending off Russian aggression.

So the ends justify the means? Anyone who feels they are "fending off aggression" can kill civilians with carbombs and fatally abuse American citizens in their prisons? That's your position?

>I dont know why you are advancing Russian propaganda

Are you saying that NPR and the Helsinki Times are Russian propaganda outlets? That strikes me as completely irrational, but nevertheless a very common viewpoint among European warhawks. It's no surprise that Europe wasn't invited to the peace talks in Saudi Arabia.




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