The Israelis (and their suppliers) are the ones with the power to end it. They have chosen this. There are actually other avenues you know. This is entirely on them.

Like, not at all? They tried to withdraw from Gaza, and preferred to educate their population on living under daily rocket attacks just to avoid waging a war in Gaza. It all dragged on with no hope for a permanent peace and culminated in the October massacre.

Hamas on the other hand does indeed have the power to end it all - if not with all their dreams and wishes being fulfilled - which is a pretty outrageous expectation for the losing party

Weird how you are commenting like Israel is some western democracy when they're run by Zionist extremists that have the goal of taking over the area.

They are not Western, but they are a democracy for sure. The extremist minority got into the government by democratic mechanisms - happens in Western democracies too from time to time

Tried to withdraw? Seems like they like things just how they are. (Well except for the part where they want the Palestinians to give up any claims to the land that was stolen from them and just evaporate.)

The result of Israel:

- subjugating Palestinians in a ghetto, controlling everything that goes into and out of Gaza - preventing Gazans from having their own power, airports, piers, and more, and - "putting them on a diet", and - propping up Hamas to have a plausible enemy to fight against in Gaza, and - occasionally "mowing the lawn" to kill hundreds (or thousands)

is the creation of anti-Israel hatred. Once that boils over, you get what happened, which is the murder and kidnapping of innocent people in Israel.

> Hamas on the other hand does indeed have the power to end it all - if not with all their dreams and wishes being fulfilled - which is a pretty outrageous expectation for the losing party

Maybe instead petition Netanyahu et al to stop committing a genocide? They can stop flattening Gaza and starving Gazans at any point. They hold all the cards.

They could stop the current stage of the war, sure. They couldn't achieve peace though - basically stopping the operation would mean reverting to pre Oct. 2023 state with Israel trying to improve their security (aka "blockade") so that it doesn't happen again. Given the recent advances in military practice I would imagine that would involve lots of drones flying over Gaza 24/7 and I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that.

Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace. Not implying that the way current operation is waged is justified though.

Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer.

> I can already hear what international organizations are saying about that

What will they say? (And would they be wrong?) Imprisoning Palestinian refugees is definitely a human rights violation.

> Hamas on the other hand has the keys for the permanent peace

Not sure why everyone says Israel (the state with all the power in this relationship) is powerless. What do you propose Hamas do to ensure permanent peace?

> Israel can become one state with democracy for all its residents. That's the real answer.

Why would israelis invite a population who has sworn to kill them into their country?

>The Israelis (and their suppliers) are the ones with the power to end it

Israel cannot unilaterally end hostilities any more than Hamas can.

Peace requires two willing parties.

Israeli people need to remove Bibi the genocider and be willing to concede land and leave Palestine alone

Palestinians need to be willing to evict and eliminate Hamas, run the country in a non oppressive way, and leave Israel alone

Israel can end the genocide it is perpetrating, and then accept more death in a few years when Hamas feels like doing more marketing (which, fyi, is the point of their terrorism: Fundraising). Is that desirable or useful?

Please show me where Hamas has signaled in any way that they would leave Israel alone if Israel completely left Palestine alone. Right now neither side can even manage a token ceasefire. There's no trust, and there's no accountability.

The real question is this: How many dead people are either side willing to accept to work towards lasting peace?

Lasting peace, a solution to the Palestinian horror, requires people willing to give up legitimate grievances from the past. Are Palestinians willing to move on from half of their children starving to death? Lots of Israeli people were willing to protest their own government before October 7th to agitate for less Palestinian oppression. Hamas targeted some of those young adults for that.

> Israel cannot unilaterally end hostilities any more than Hamas can.

They absolutely can! For a moment consider the power differential in this assault. Do not equate Hamas' attacks with Israel's blockade, exploitation, starvation and war crimes of the entire Gazan population. The displaced Palestinians imprisoned in the Gaza ghetto don't have war planes, armed drones, and tanks, let alone nukes and billions and billions of aid from allies.

Also, consider Israel has a total blockade of Gaza. Nothing gets in or out without Israel's say so. And we haven't even talked about "the hostilities" of the expanding illegal occupation of the West Bank.

Israel can stop their genocide and starvation today. They can stop further occupying the West Bank today.

> Palestinians need to be willing to evict and eliminate Hamas, run the country in a non oppressive way, and leave Israel alone

Israel's flattening of Gaza has nothing to do with Hamas. You don't get to starve and murder everyone in Gaza because of Hamas. You don't get to commit genocide. (An intent stated many times by Israeli officials BTW)

> Please show me where Hamas has signaled in any way that they would leave Israel alone if Israel completely left Palestine alone.

Hamas existing or now is irrelevant to Israel starving everyone in Gaza and destroying every building, hospital, school, house, cemetery in it including all the farm land. This is rank inhumanity.

> Right now neither side can even manage a token ceasefire. There's no trust, and there's no accountability.

One side holds all the cards and it's not Hamas nor the civilians in Gaza. IF you want to talk about accountability, maybe the world should actually hold Israel responsible for its actions. Maybe we can get the Israelis to kick the genociders out of its government for a change? (Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben Gvir for starters)

> Are Palestinians willing to move on from half of their children starving to death?

Wait--The Palestinians are blockading themselves?

> Lots of Israeli people were willing to protest their own government before October 7th to agitate for less Palestinian oppression. Hamas targeted some of those young adults for that.

Polling consistently shows Israelis are in favor of what's happening in Gaza.

What do you mean? Trump's plan to end the war, Israel has accepted it. Now Palestinians will probably refuse it. Why refuse the end of the war and the "genocide"? It's like they demanded a country, but when the country was offered multiple times, they refused it because what they actually want is to destroy Israel and not build their own country.

Which offers?

Rhodesia was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better.

Apartheid South Africa was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better.

French Algeria was "destroyed", and the outcome was for the better.

When Israel gets similarly "destroyed", and it is no longer a supremacist colonial state, and the people who remain are living with equal rights, it will be for the better. Everyone other than colonists and white supremacists understand this. If yoru country was colonized by outside invaders, you would understand anti-colonial struggle perfectly well.

Just out of curiosity, what does "destroyed" mean in Israel case? Is this a situation, that can potentially lead to Israel ruled by Hamas and Hamas having a nuke and army, that can easily reach Europe? How is that "better"? There is a reason why no one, except extremists (on both sides, both Greater Israel or whatever, or Greater Palatine) support one state solution.

Not a problem at all. South Africa's nukes were destroyed and/or handed over to USA prior to the dismantling of the state. The same can be done with Israel's nukes, and any other military gear that they wish to keep out of hands of the palestinian resistance.

> The same can be done with Israel's nukes

And what if they say no? And what if they are willing to use every last one of them if needed to prevent their destruction and there is absolutely no way to convince them otherwise, other than to not destroy them?

Then what? They have 100+ nuclear weapons. They can't all be shot down.

You are demonstrating one case of reality denial that props the Palestinian to keep fighting Israel from generation to another, even though they've never been in a worse situation.

There are many other proponents of the Palestinian struggle, that would hate for them to surrender or just go elsewhere, because they need them to keep fighting. I'll name some examples:

1. The Muslim clerics promising them Al Aqsa, who look at the Jews self-rule as an historical insult to a place that should have been "Dar al-Islam";

2. The different movements and people of interest that are implanting nostalgic longing across the 4th generation Palestinian diaspora to a place they never visited and to a country that never existed;

3. Those Arab rulers, like in Egypt, that don't want the "Palestinian Issue" (their words, not mine) to go away because it nibbles at Israel;

4. Those with interests of self preservation, like King Abdallah of Jordan, who rules over a Palestinian majority and fears the moment they try to realize their national aspirations in his kingdom instead of in Israel;

5. Those like Greta and other who look to pick up a cause, and of course lets not forget those who just hate Jews.

6. Lest we forget the billionaires Palestinian leaders, like Arafat and Haniyea who amassed huge fortunes and lived lavish lifestyles on the back of the "Palestinian struggle";

7. All of those functionaries in the UN and elsewhere who feed off this huge machine of handouts in the form of UNRWA, the Red Cross and all those agencies that funnel money and goods to Palestinians wherever they are, keeping them fed and content so they can avoid assimilating and building a real future for themselves, while teaching in their agency schools a curriculum of hate towards Jews and Israel.

8. The Iranian mullahs who need a cause to rally their people, to keep their thoughts away from being thirsty, poor and oppressed.

All of those people making grand plans for the demise of Israel, while Israel just keeps getting stronger. No, seriously; the Israeli GDP per capita has surpassed that of the UK.

What's common to all of those groups that I mentioned is that none of them care about what becomes of the average Palestinian. 10,000 dead, 60,000 dead, it's all worthwhile if Israel suffers.

Golda Meir wisely said, "Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us". As long as those powerful interest groups are interested in keeping the Palestinian struggle alive, there can never be peace; and destroying Israel is just a dangerous pipe dream that kept the Arab world poor and beaten for 80 years now.

What an interesting historical stretch to call Jews "invaders" in Israel, when the entire place is riddled with Jewish history and artefacts dating back thousands of years.

While Rhodesia and South Africa were colonial experiments by people with no prior connection to Africa, that's not the case with Israel. Since the onset of told history there were Jews in that area.

Yes, many thousands of years ago the land was populated by Jewish peoples. Then Romans sacked Jerusalem and kicked them all out. The Eastern Roman empire never reversed that ban. After the muslim conquest of Levant in about 630 AD, caliph Umar ibn al-Khattab lifted the Christian ban on Jews entering Jerusalem some time later during his reign. After a millenium of mixing and slow but gradual conversion to the dominant socio-cultural muslim group, we know that the Jewish population of Palestine at the time (1917) that the British government initiated the process of handing over Palestine to jews in return for Lord Rothschild's money that they needed to keep fighting WW1 [1], was only about 7%.

Subsequent immigration of mostly European jews into Palestine, resulted in about 30% jewish population by the time Western powers decided to declare an independent Jewish-dominated state of Israel on top of Palestine in 1947.

The vast majority of the current jewish population of Israel are absolutely foreign invaders and their second or third generation descendants.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balfour_Declaration

I can kind of accept South Africa as a success story, but Rhodesia?

No. The Bible says nothing about a European secular nationalist movement called Zionism. Certainly nothing positive.