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The economic suffering has largely been inflicted deliberately by US sanctions.

This would seem to suggest that sinking an aircraft carrier and frigate or two would actually be justified according to your principles?

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My principals is that a government should do what's good for the people of their country.

Are your principals that a government should only focus on self preservation?

What would be better for the people of Iran, sinking an American aircraft carrier or just disbanding their nuclear and long range ballistic missile programs?


> The economic suffering has largely been inflicted deliberately by US sanctions.

Which were imposed for work on atomic bomb. These sanctions didn’t come out of the blue.


US intelligence assessments on the question of whether Iran is building one keep publicly coming out as negative. People who keep repeating that Iran is building one are people who want to see Iran torn apart. Had Iran ACTUALLY been working on one all these decades, we wouldn't be at war with them now because they would have the ultimate deterrence and we'd be too scared. The very fact that we are bombing them every now and then, and are about to launch another massive regime change war campaign against them, is the best confirmation that they are in fact NOT close to having nuclear-armed missiles. Otherwise it would be too risky to start bombing a country that is going to have them in a week, and that is going to also then be VERY pissed that you just bombed the shit out of them, and will want to show you once and for all never to mess with it again. Iran's government is actually REALLY stupid for not having got nuclear weapons already, and they may be about to pay for that mistake with their country's devastation.

Sanctions-wise... When you sanction a society to the degree that Iran has been sanctioned, you force that society to turn to smuggling, black markets, and forces operating outside of usual law and norms, in order for the society to prevent its collapse. That naturally causes corruption to spread because you are involving outlaws in fundamental processes of your economy. This is one of intended consequences of such harsh sanctions, in order to maximize the negative sentiment of the general populace of the targeted country towards their government. It impoverishes the country and makes the populace more likely to accept when approached by foreign agents offering monetary rewards for help in bringing the government down.

Obviously the commenter I responded to is not arguing in good faith so I don't expect anything but an NPC talking point response, so I wish to note that my answer is for a curious passerby.


US intelligence flip flopped on this issue every Friday. Given the high stakes situation, I personally believe that Iran did work on nuclear weapons.

There is no reason whatsoever to enrich uranium beyond like 20% if its not for military purposes in such quantities.

Saying that others are NPCs is interesting. How do you know that you are not an NPC?


I don't understand. If US, Israel, Pakistan, etc can all have nuclear weapons, why can't Iran?

Pakistan did it secretly. Today I doubt that Pakistan would have been allowed to have nukes. Moreover, just because they have nukes it is huge pain in the ass and that why the US and other countries support Pakistan financially — no one wants collapsing state with nuclear weapons.

If Iran gets nuclear weapons, all big Sunni countries will get them too: Saudis, Qatar, etc. we do not want it to happen, as the next Arab spring can collapse those governments, and you can count on any Muslim radical group getting hands on one of those.

Anyway, there are countries that have nuclear weapons, and this Jinny is out of the bottle. But, it doesn’t mean we want to have more of this crap lying around. We need less.


Because Iran has oil.

I think it has more to do with nukes than oil. North Korea is a good example that once you have nukes, no one can touch you. No one wants more nukes, especially in the hands of IR, in this world.

I have no sympathy for the Iranian regime but the US' unilateral actions are worse. At least the Iranians mind their own business.

At this point, every country which has natural resources which the US might want to steal should have nukes.


> At least the Iranians mind their own business

Except they don’t.

North Korea minds their own business.


Neither Iran nor NK interfere with India. I don't see how they interfere with the US. Last I checked it was the US which has bases in the Middle East.

When Iran builds a base in Mexico or Canada, we can talk.


>The economic suffering has largely been inflicted deliberately by US sanctions.

I dunno. Is the United States required to bake them a cake if it offends our religious principles?




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