You say that like it's an epic conquest to learn Rails. You assume that people who criticize Rails haven't learned it. Probably a large number of haters, yes, but there's also plenty who have taken the weekend or so it takes to get a good working knowledge of Rails. That's what makes Rails great: you can be productive fast. I'd venture to say there's more Java/C# devs who know Rails than vice-versa.
"Ass-kicking"? Is this high school football or professional programming? If a language or framework has major security holes, it should fail in the marketplace, no matter how much "ass kicking" it has done.
Rereading your post, I'm going to assume it's a troll post. After all, when I see your username, I can't help but imagine, "Do a couple of quick sets down at Gold's, then come back and slam out some Rails, yeah brah!"
> You say that like it's an epic conquest to learn Rails.
> [...] there's also plenty who have taken the weekend or so it takes to get a good working knowledge of Rails.
It is a fair enough conquest to learn Rails the proper way, knowing exactly what is happening under the hood.
Rails productivity doesn't come from how easy it is to generate some pre-built basic controllers or models without knowing what is involved, Rails productivity comes from how well it is engineered and connected in the whole picture. In fact, all Rails pro's will tell you that they have stopped using those "automagical features that make productivy fast" as soon as they were able to understand what they were doing, for the sake of more granular customization.
So, in 2 words, you won't have a good working knowledge of Rails in a week-end, expecially if you don't know ruby. You'll just learn to use some "generators".
> If a language or framework has major security holes, it should
> fail in the marketplace
It should in a perfect world designed by an IT professional which fortunately it isn't.
It will not in reality, and fortunately we have plenty of cases for this.
> I'm going to assume it's a troll post. After all, when I see your username I can't help but imagine [...]
> Probably a large number of haters, yes, but there's also plenty who have taken the weekend or so it takes to get a good working knowledge of Rails.
IMHO, this is a misconception, though I must admit it's one that gets pushed by a lot of parties. There's a lot of moving parts in rails and a lot of magic shortcuts, but IMHO you should actually know what goes on behind the scenes before using rails for a serious project.
> If a language or framework has major security holes, it should fail in the marketplace
So no more Spring, no more ASP.NET? Come on, we should be beyond that. Holes appear everywhere. What matters is how they are handled.
"Ass-kicking"? Is this high school football or professional programming? If a language or framework has major security holes, it should fail in the marketplace, no matter how much "ass kicking" it has done.
Rereading your post, I'm going to assume it's a troll post. After all, when I see your username, I can't help but imagine, "Do a couple of quick sets down at Gold's, then come back and slam out some Rails, yeah brah!"